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작성자 아이콘 EVERGREENZ
작성일 2014-05-05 14:37:26 KST 조회 100
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One of the most common forms of feedback we get are about how to improve the rating. These are not bad ideas, they're pretty good, but they might be more complicated than you think. Here are some common ones.


One thing to keep in mind is that a good mathematical model has few parameters. The current rating system has three. Those three parameters are sufficient to give Aligulac the predictive power it has. If you want to suggest complicating the model, the additional parameters must be chosen with care.


Games in regular online tournaments shouldn't count as much as Code S. Well, first we have to realize that games are weighted, in a sense, by opponent skill. You get more points for beating a higher rated opponent than a lower, and you lose more points by losing to a lower rated opponent than a higher. In addition it is worth considering that simply weighing games higher will not automatically increase the rating of those playing. The winners will gain more points, true, but the losers will also lose more. The mean rating of the players playing will not change.

So aside from this, how should this weighing work?

  • Even stronger weighing by opponent? The "weighing" is a result of a Bayesian inversion formula depending on the underlying probability model chosen. It's not something that can just be changed, that is, there's no parameter encoding this. It's a much deeper mathematical concept.

  • Weighing by mean rating of opponent in a round? Well, why should this be any better than weighing by the actual opponents faced, which is what we already do?

  • Weighing by prize pool? The theory goes that strong players are likely to "try harder" if the prize is higher. There is some merit to this idea, but there are also problems. Some tournaments offer prizes in equipment, and not money. Some offer qualification to a higher tier. For example, there is no monetary prize in the GSL Up and Down groups, but nobody would question the incentive to win there. In addition, there are internal team incentives which are not generally public knowledge. And, additionally, if a player knowingly plays weaker in some games, should that not be reflected in the ratings?

  • Weighing by tournament? These arguments usually involve some classification of events into tiers of importance with coefficients associated with each level. This approach runs into the complexity problem. With five levels (say), the model becomes far more complicated for what is not shown (yet, anyway) to be reasonable benefit.

  • Weighing by online and offline? Yes, this is a legitimate idea and probably the one closest to being implemented. We have working experimental code with this feature already.

Rating gap cap. The idea here is to prevent players from "farming" much lower rated players. It is possible to artificially inflate a player's rating if he never plays other players close to himself in skill. The ideas usually consist of ignoring matches where players are farther away in rating than a given threshold. However, this can be seen as unfair to the lower rated players, who will have their wins against good players discarded. Capping the gap to a given value will make the problem worse. Say a 1700-rated player plays a 1000-rated player, but the cap is 500, so for the purposes of updating the stronger player's rating the lower rated player is assumed to be rated 1200. Then it will be easier for the 1700-rated player to overperform than it was previously.



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아이콘 칠삼이제니스 (2014-05-05 14:41:25 KST)
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영어 해석하기 귀찮아서 바로 내린사람?
아이콘 Azure.768 (2014-05-05 14:42:49 KST)
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걍 대충 해석하면 나올 수 있는 몇 가지 방안들에 대해서 왜 그게 어려운지 설명하고 있고, 특히 대회 레벨에 따라 나누는 건 (그로 인한 성능 향상이 눈에 띄게 만들려면) 너무 계산이 복잡해진다고 말하고 있음.
아이콘 EVERGREENZ (2014-05-05 14:44:18 KST)
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Azure.768 // 그러니까 복잡한 통계보다 단순한 통계를 선호한다는거 아닌가요? 좋은 통계는 적은 파라미터에서 나온다는 관점에서요
아이콘 EVERGREENZ (2014-05-05 14:47:01 KST)
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그것보다 더 중요한건 현재 스타2에 대한 밸런스를 최소한의 직관력으로도 그럴 듯하다 라는 신빙성을 내포하느냐 아니냐 싶은데요
아이콘 Azure.768 (2014-05-05 14:47:43 KST)
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뭐 현상을 설명할 수 있는 여러 모델 중에서는, 뚜렷한 성능 격차가 없으면 가장 단순한 게 좋죠. 엔지니어링 관점에서... 성능 차이가 눈에 보일 정도면 복잡해도 택하겠지만요
아이콘 Azure.768 (2014-05-05 14:50:07 KST)
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